Cabinets and Painting

We’re in the home stretch, supposedly, we’re still having hiccups on the exterior but on the interior we’re basically to the point where all materials are here, they just need to be installed.

The very first countertop was just installed, that was a bit of a fluke though, the rest are several weeks out. As of now though we have the master bathroom cabinets installed (and they have been for a couple weeks), the kitchen ones are in process. We’ve had the lowers installed, including my absolutely massive island, but the uppers were apparently measured wrong so there are problems. But that shouldn’t interfere with the countertop being measured and getting into production. We’ve also had vanities installed in two of the bathrooms, one of which also has it’s countertop.
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Meanwhile paint has started and is ongoing, and painting includes also staining all the wood, and there is a lot of wood. This is another thing I want to talk about where we get the “castle price.”

So way back when I call this place for a quote for us to put into our budget for paint. He tells me on the phone it is a dollar a square foot, and he says it somewhat defensively like I will claim it is too much. I say “of wall area?” He says no, of floor space. If you have a 3,000 sq/ft home, it is $3000, and that includes walls and ceilings, and all wood and wood trim. I say “Are you sure, it’s a castle with high ceilings and lots of trim and its huge.” He says, doesn’t matter, a dollar a square foot.

I still don’t believe the guy so I double it and put that number into our budget.

This guy isn’t some fly by night guy, he is the biggest in town he’ll tell you, he drives a hummer, he has tons of crews out working for him. So I figure he knows his stuff. So we have (had, actually some space was sacrificed on the altar of the budget) 13,000 conditioned space which would be painted, and so I had doubled the budget number for paint to $26k. This guy comes back when we actually need him to finalize his quote, his original estimate of $13,000 became $75,000 when he saw the castle.

I’m not a crazy person, nor am I made of money, nor am I uneducated. I didn’t win the lottery and had no clue how much things cost. I’m a small business owner who built my business scrapping and bootstrapping all the way, I’m intelligent, educated, and a compulsive researcher. I know when I’m being bamboozled. I had most of my house painted before we moved here, it was a much smaller house, 2200 sq/ft, but we painted most of it, two coats, and we had really bright paint underneath and were going to light neutrals so it took a lot of paint to cover, and we had all this complex trim in that house they had to cut in against, it wasn’t new construction with the big open areas. This painter we hired was very professional, he also drove a very nice truck (Ford Superduty with lots of chrome), and had multiple crews. It cost me $1200.

We went and got another paint quote, this guy came in at under $35,000 dollars, and he was doing more than the $75,000 guy, who only committed to one coat of finish on all the wood (the cheaper guy is doing 3 coats), and wasn’t using the products I wanted either. So guess who we went with? And the less expensive guys are doing a fine job, and they are very professional, and it is still a larger company with multiple crews. All the drywall is getting primer and at least two coats, all the wood is getting stain and three coats of finish.

What products am I using?

For paint we’re going with eggshell latex paints. I tend to like glossier paints, I like both the look at their durability and ability to not show my kids fingerprints etc, but I get that they’re not trendy. In my old house we used all gloss or semigloss, so going down to eggshell is less glossy for us. Also I think the glossier look is more period accurate. I let the kids pick the colors for their rooms and bathrooms, and I picked different colors for some of the other bathrooms. For the walls in 90% of the house we went with a bright white color called Swiss Coffee – this is also period accurate as well as white washing walls was about all they did back then. So the main colors of the house are dark grey stone, dark brown wood, and bright white.
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For stain we’re using Minwax’s Jacobean stain, and then for a sealer we’re using one coat of amber shellac and two coats of clear shellac. Shellac is a glossy wood top coat and sealer made from shell secretions of the lac bug that are ground and suspended in alcohol. It is one of the oldest known wood finishes and so is period accurate. It also gives off no bad VOCs or odors. When applying it smells like whiskey, it is safe enough to eat in some forms (in fact it is used on food and as a coating for pills, the stuff you put on your wood might have additives so I wouldn’t drink it), and it dries in minutes. Polyurethanes take hours to dry, during which time debris can fall on the wood and mar the finish. This also helps with labor. If you’re shellacking a door and start at the top, by the time you get to the bottom the top will be dry. It is also spot repairable. If you have polyurethane finished wood and you want to repair a damaged spot or scratch, you need to do a lot of sanding and or refinish the whole piece, or you’ll have a bump. With shellac you just slap on some more and it merges with the lower coats, it takes seconds. I really like using it and I’m surprised so many people don’t know about it. Clean up is also easy, just use ethanol.
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It comes in both clear and amber, I am using one coat of amber and two of clear because that gives just the right color I like. The only downside of shellac is it doesn’t stand up to water near as well, especially repeatedly getting wet or having standing water. So you shouldn’t use it on a floor, and I am not using it on my windows which could be left open in the rain or get condensation drips. On the windows frames we will use polyurethane.

Comments

  1. Bob Marthai says:

    Glad to see you moving along so quickly! We are coming up on 9 years and at least 2 more to go. Nice truss timbers! Ours are more basic. Cheers!
    Bob Marthai
    UHUBURG, Eagle Owl Castle
    Helen, GA

  2. Richard says:

    Nice having news about this!
    I’m desperate to see advance pics of the outside!
    Keep it up, Ishmael!

  3. Evillordsmurfy says:

    The castle price stories are just so disappointing. It’s a pain when people just assume that they can take advantage because they see what you’re building.

  4. Brian says:

    I would love to make a road trip to look at your castle, is this possible?

  5. Brian says:

    I would love to make a road trip to look at your castle, is this possible? It would be over the weekend of the 22nd of july.

  6. John says:

    Really enjoy seeing the project/dream come together. And honestly, while it stinks that so many people have been trying to rip you off over the course of your build, I really relish the stories about you fighting for better prices and quality treatment. I’ve been jobbed by a few contractors in Tennessee myself so I’m not going to lie, it’s a bit cathartic lol.

  7. Casey says:

    Wow! As a mason myself this is a dream! Looks great so far!

  8. Melanie says:

    Hello Ishmael,

    My husband and I have long dreamed of building a castle, and you have been a huge source of inspiration for us! We are now reaching the point where we are starting to make more concrete plans for our own castle building. Do you have any advice for people just starting out on their castle journey, or things you wish you had known or done differently when you started? We have already gotten a ton of useful information from this blog but we would be interested to hear your perspective now as the end comes into sight :)

    Thanks!

    • Ishmael says:

      It’ll cost twice as much and take twice as long as you expect.

      Building with concrete and steel is expensive and slow. It is solid and stable and the performance quality of the walls is amazing, but its very expensive and very slow. If there is any way you can build it out of wood, even if you still sheath it in stone, I would seek out that route. Anywhere you can not use round walls will also save money, round walls are expensive.

  9. Jessica says:

    Hey, there! Just like Melanie, my husband and I have been dreaming for years about building a castle one day, and for a while, we honestly thought there was no way it could ever happen. We still feel that way now sometimes. We’re a young couple with two children, and we’re still trying to get our careers established so we’re struggling. But looking at all the progress you’ve been documenting keeps our dream going and bolsters our motivation. Everything looks tits, by the way! Thank you so much for sharing! We’re rooting for you! Good luck!

  10. Trevor Thomas says:

    I have some past experience with energy efficiency along with historical knowledge on building aesthetics from the time period. I would love to check the place out and offer advice.

  11. Wes says:

    Hey Ishmael,

    Just found this site and I love it. Energy efficient castle? Literally my dream. Keep up the good work and post some more photos!

    I do have a question for you- without getting into any details about prices and finances, could you just say how attainable you think this dream is for the average professional? Do I need to be an investment banker to build a castle?

  12. Spars says:

    Anxious to see some more updates! Always interested to see how your building is progressing. We are living our castle dreams vicariously through you.

  13. brian says:

    Ishmael thank you for sharing your fantastic voyage. I am certain all of your blog followers are desiring to be fledgling castle builders. I get the cost aspect but one thing is driving me nuts from your pictures. the bathroom shower surround looks like it is from a $30 a night one star motel, please tell us this is a temporary layout for now and not the final design. it is akin to building a fine Italian sports car and putting a lawnmower engine in it. I am not trying to sound harsh or rude in any way as I do think the house is looking great, I just thought you got a hold of a photo from my first apartment bathroom. Best regards and keep up the good work. and hey we want more!!! Pics and stories ya got us all hooked!
    thanks
    Brian
    ( Ocala ,FL )

    • Ishmael says:

      Are you talking about the blue bath Brian?

      There are 9 bathrooms, and we have 3 kids. A fiberglass tub shower combo is simply the most practical possible bathing system. You would use fancy harder to clean tile in a kid’s shower? The master bathroom has a fully tiled shower (that cost almost $10k just for the tile work), the primary guest bathroom also has tile, the other 7 have these. All bathrooms have nice tile wainscotting, outside of the shower, and tiled floors, but fully tiled showers just aren’t very practical. Think of all the grout line cleaning required. The sealing. I also didn’t use natural stone tile the two tiled showers. I’ve had that, it’s a disaster. Every shower can be cleaned with a bucket of bleach if you need to, which is the only thing that really kills mildew.

  14. Ashlie says:

    It’s been months Ishmael. How about an update?

  15. EvilLordSMurfy says:

    Ishmael,

    Are you going to landscape the property like a country estate?

  16. Rhys says:

    Hi Ishmael,
    I’m hoping you got to have Christmas in your castle, and soon you’ll have some cheerier news (and photos) for those of us following your progress with interest. Best wishes for the new year.

  17. AbdullahD Dimion says:

    Hi Ishmael love the blog. My wife and I are currently looking at land for our own build, we plan to build a small cottage for us to live in and build as time and money allows.

    Definitely not on your scale though looking at 2-2500 square ft, icf construction and far more square. Father and family friend both own construction companies, so calling favours in there.

    But I have to say thanks for the inspiration 👍would love to see your designs and floor plans, to steal them 😂😂😂

    All the best
    Abdullah

  18. Jack says:

    Hi Ishmael,

    Hope all is going well! Any update would be amazing to see what its like at the moment with the progress thats happened over the last 6 months!

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